Does anybody know if any ames/hills/kings existed in NC?
Quote from: ian on December 27, 2022, 01:06:39 PMDoes anybody know if any ames/hills/kings existed in NC?
The locator on the main page seems not to work right any longer, but it does show a map that includes NC (but not SC or other states to the west of that), so I think that means there were at least some listings for that state.
Unfortunately, no idea beyond that where or how many or if any may have come from the other chains.
Quote from: ian on December 27, 2022, 01:06:39 PMDoes anybody know if any ames/hills/kings existed in NC?
I made a list of discount stores and where they were a while back (that I'm still working on) and my data for North Carolina currently shows that:
Ames - 7 locations
Hills - 2 locations
King's - 21 locations
None of the King's locations were converted into Ames and only 1 out of 2 Hills stores became Ames (that data could be incorrect, however)
I believe this post is correct. I worked for both Ames and Hills, and as memory serves both chains had a very small number of stores in North Carolina.
Do you know the addresses, or if there were any in the charlotte metro
Unfortunately I left the company in 1992 and no longer have a printed store listing.
Quote from: ian on December 28, 2022, 08:07:16 PMDo you know the addresses, or if there were any in the charlotte metro
Here's the locations of the stores from my data:
King's - 835 E. Dixie Dr. Asheboro NC 27203
King's - 1001 N Miami Blvd Durham NC 27703
King's - Hillsborough Rd. Durham NC 27705 (Full store location unknown)
King's - 401 N. Berkeley Blvd. Goldsboro NC 27530
King's - 4653 W. Market St Greensboro NC 27410
King's - Hwy. 264 Greenville NC 27834 (Full store location unknown)
King's - New Dana Rd. & State Hwy. 64 Hendersonville NC 28739
King's - Gum Branch Rd. & Henderson Dr. Jacksonville NC 28540
King's - 3210 Fayetteville Rd. Raleigh NC 27609
King's - N. Blvd., Rte. 1 & 401 Raleigh NC 27604
King's - 2726 Industrial Dr. Sanford NC 27330
King's - 300 W. Dixon Blvd. Shelby NC 28150
King's - 2638 Carolina Beach Rd. Wilmington NC 28401
King's - Kings Plaza Shopping Center Wilson NC 27893
King's - 3740 N. Paterson Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27105
King's - 801 Corporation Pkwy Winston-Salem NC 27107
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 1245 Dabney Dr Henderson NC 27536
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 830 Halstead Blvd Elizabeth City NC 27909
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 1515 E. Broad St Statesville NC 28677
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - N. Center St & 25th Ave. NW Hickory NC 28601
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - US Hwy. 70 New Bern NC 28560
Ames - 1421 East Cone Blvd. Greensboro NC 27405
Ames - 3701 Highpoint Rd. Greensboro NC 27407
Ames (Former Zayre) - 2200 Westchester Dr. High Point NC 27262
Ames (Former Zayre) - 4215 North Patterson Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27105
Ames (Former Zayre) - 2281 Cloverdale Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27103
Ames (Former Zayre) - 846 Spring Lane Sanford NC 27330
Ames (Originally Woolco, than Roses, than Hills) - 4302 Shipyard Blvd. Wilmington NC 28403
Hills - (Opened 1995 in former Kmart) - 2300 N Main St High Point NC 27262
Hills (Former Woolco, than Roses, was later converted into Ames) - 4302 Shipyard Blvd. Wilmington NC 28403
Keep mind mind that some of information / store locations might be missing
It would also appear that Zayre also had other locations in the state that for whatever reason didn't become Ames
I found this old news report about the Hills store in High Point opening
https://greensboro.com/hills-department-store-to-open/article_bf1569a1-386a-5782-8bd9-acb8a21a1b7a.html
At the bottom it states that
"The other stores are in Winston-Salem, Statesville, Wilson and Wilmington."
So I guess there was actually 5 Hills stores in NC
I found another old news report by the same people:
https://greensboro.com/discount-department-chain-to-open-2-stores-in-triad-hills-stores-co/article_0f9d0cf1-2082-522d-bb6a-d43947e3cb9c.html
"plans to remodel and occupy former Kmart stores in High Point and Winston-Salem"
So I guess the Winston-Salem Hills store was also a former Kmart, the store was located at 7770 North Point Blvd, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 (This store moved to a supercenter in 1994, a year before Hills opened) where the Burlington currently is
Currently I don't know where the Statesville & Wilson stores were
Ok so after some research here's what I found about the Hills stores in NC
Hills - (Opened 1995 in former Kmart) - 2300 N Main St High Point NC 27262
Hills (Former Woolco, than Roses, was later converted into Ames) - 4302 Shipyard Blvd. Wilmington NC 28403
Hills - (Also opened 1995 in former Kmart) 7770 North Point Blvd, Winston-Salem, NC 27106
Hills - 1685 E Broad St, Statesville, NC 28625 (Signal Hill Mall)
Hills - ????, Wilson, NC
Hold up, Hills at Signal Hill Mall???
That mall is the definition of "dead". The 4 anchors are Belk, JCpenny, Peebles/Spainours, and Woolworth/Sears. One anchor remains, Belk. That whole side of statesville is abandoned. There are 2 stores left inside, jewlery and cell phone store. There is a vacant winn dixie, abandoned since 1989. Its really cool, you should look it up
So, The Kings store next to the Hills at signal hill mall used to be a mammoth mart? I thought the mammoth mart was at Town and Country Shopping Center, 1441 Wilkesboro Hwy, Statesville, NC 28625, which later became kmart, and then kmart closed in the 70's and moved next to the mall aswell
I found a few candidates for the Hills in Wilson.
Tracking Hills in Wilson NC
925 Ward Blvd, Wilson, NC 27893
2800 Raleigh Rd Pkwy W Unit A-2, Wilson, NC 27896
1700 Raleigh Rd Pkwy W Ste 104, Wilson, NC 27896
Did ames ever go south of NC? Like SC, or GA
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 01:42:04 PMSo, The Kings store next to the Hills at signal hill mall used to be a mammoth mart? I thought the mammoth mart was at Town and Country Shopping Center, 1441 Wilkesboro Hwy, Statesville, NC 28625, which later became kmart, and then kmart closed in the 70's and moved next to the mall aswell
The Kmart at Town & Country opened in 1977, Mammoth Mart didn't go out of business and close their Statesville store until a year later in 1978
So there were 2 mammoth marts in statesville?
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:19:03 PMDid ames ever go south of NC? Like SC, or GA
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These are all of the states that Ames operated in (image from the old AmesFanClub store locator)
I see.
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:21:53 PMSo there were 2 mammoth marts in statesville?
No just the one
The Kmart your thinking of was never a Mammoth Mart as the Kmart opened before Mammoth Mart even closed
They co-existed for about a year
I will check GIS
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1196717#sel=47:1,47:10
There were 2 kmarts in statesville, One existed for a few years, which is the one I think used to be mammoth mart. That kmart opened in 1977, but the building was built in 1973. In your listing, there was an extra mammoth mart, which became Kings, and later JR tobacco, Now abandoned.
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:00:01 PMI found a few candidates for the Hills in Wilson.
Tracking Hills in Wilson NC
925 Ward Blvd, Wilson, NC 27893
2800 Raleigh Rd Pkwy W Unit A-2, Wilson, NC 27896
1700 Raleigh Rd Pkwy W Ste 104, Wilson, NC 27896
The first location looks too small and too old to be a Hills (they would've probably remodeled the building), although I'm not sure what that building originally was either, so it is possible that the building was once a Hills
The 2nd location was a Kmart from 1992-2003 so unless it was one of the Hills stores that closed during the chains original bankruptcy in 1991 or Hills was right next to Kmart in the same plaza (which has happened before in Newport News, VA) the chance of that store being a Hills is very low
The 3rd location didn't give me much to go off in terms of speculation. The building from a top down aerial view looks to be too small for a Hills but the front does seem kinda Hills-ish, as if its been remodeled but no completely
In all honestly this is all just speculation. It's possible that one of these buildings were once Hills, but it's also possible that none of these we're Hills, in all honestly, I have no idea. However, all of the speculation was just done by looking at the building itself with no other research so I might have to look into those locations.
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:30:06 PMThere were 2 kmarts in statesville, One existed for a few years, which is the one I think used to be mammoth mart. That kmart opened in 1977, but the building was built in 1973. In your listing, there was an extra mammoth mart, which became Kings, and later JR tobacco, Now abandoned.
I could be wrong as discount stores of this age are difficult to find info on but as far as I know the older Kmart location was never a Mammoth Mart
It could be possible, though, as there have been Mammoth Mart-to-Kmart conversions on three different occasions (not including the Pasadena, MD Kmart store, which was built as Mammoth Mart, but they never opened)
(The 2nd image was put there because you cant really see the buildings that well in the 1st image)
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Hold on, Woolworth was hills at the mall????
Quote from: Retail_247 on December 29, 2022, 02:22:30 PMQuote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:19:03 PMDid ames ever go south of NC? Like SC, or GA
amesterritory.gif
These are all of the states that Ames operated in (image from the old AmesFanClub store locator)
The store locator also had tabs separate from the map for Michigan and Florida. I had worked in Michigan for several years where Ames had a number of stores. They also converted a lot of Zayre stores in Florida which were open as Ames for a little more than a year. I spent six weeks assigned temporarily to one in Jacksonville.
I am in jacksonville right now!
I have actually never been to an ames.
This postcard from early on of the mall depicts Woolworths on the far right. I think that may be Hills, but idk
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UJQzmnjudgM/TTF1PqJ3_LI/AAAAAAAAEwI/h96u3dGEoAs/s1600/statesvillemall_livemalls_patrichardson.jpg)
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 04:18:31 PMThis postcard from early on of the mall depicts Woolworths on the far right. I think that may be Hills, but idk
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UJQzmnjudgM/TTF1PqJ3_LI/AAAAAAAAEwI/h96u3dGEoAs/s1600/statesvillemall_livemalls_patrichardson.jpg)
Apparently it was
http://skycity2.blogspot.com/2011/01/signal-hill-mall-statesville-nc.html
The building was Woolworth, than Hills, than finally, Sears
Quote from: TheFugitive on December 29, 2022, 04:04:53 PMQuote from: Retail_247 on December 29, 2022, 02:22:30 PMQuote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 02:19:03 PMDid ames ever go south of NC? Like SC, or GA
amesterritory.gif
These are all of the states that Ames operated in (image from the old AmesFanClub store locator)
The store locator also had tabs separate from the map for Michigan and Florida. I had worked in Michigan for several years where Ames had a number of stores. They also converted a lot of Zayre stores in Florida which were open as Ames for a little more than a year. I spent six weeks assigned temporarily to one in Jacksonville.
Right, I forgot to mention that
Ames was always short lived in Florida. They acquired Zayre and left less than a year later (the stores down there were a disaster), just to return to the state (via buying Goldblatt's locations) around '99 or 2000 just to close again along with the rest of the chain in 2002
Does anyone recall a dep. store named Spainhours? On the Signal Hill Mall, I can see the labelscar, but almost no recall of it online. I think spainhours became peebles.
Quote from: ian on December 29, 2022, 04:07:42 PMI am in jacksonville right now!
Very cool city. The people there were friendly and polite. Some nice beaches nearby. I felt very badly that the company went bankrupt and they were all out of a job a year after I left. Went to a football game at the old Gator Bowl which was a fun experience.
I found something. I found an old photo of where i think the old King's is in statesville. In this picture, you can see KI. Is this kings?
Aah the picture didnt link!!!
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/mooresvilletribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/6a/36af0d12-248d-5c3c-813b-8bbcfd4990dc/5a3be16fb2248.image.jpg?resize=760%2C506)
Here
Quote from: ian on January 06, 2023, 06:56:39 PM(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/mooresvilletribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/6a/36af0d12-248d-5c3c-813b-8bbcfd4990dc/5a3be16fb2248.image.jpg?resize=760%2C506)
Here
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Looking at the address to the former Mammoth Mart / King's store on Google Earth and comparing it to the photo, I'd say that the store in the photo is most certainly King's, the building on the top left still looks the same
I just visited there yesterday, and behind the fabric sign, I was able to makeout a K label scar.
I am trying to find more info on this location
After finding proof in a newspaper, there was never a Mammoth Mart in Newtowne plaza, located in the former Kings. I found an advertisment for mammoth mart that linked to the location i thought it was, on Quarry rd & N center st. at Town and country shopping center.(https://img.newspapers.com/img/thumbnail/3234983/400/400/0_0_5288_7721.jpg)
So I found this post saying "AMES DEPARTMENT STORES TO CLOSE ALL 17 STORES IN NORTH CAROLINA" meaning there are more.
The locator on the main page seems not to work right any longer, but it does show a map that includes NC (but not SC or other states to the west of that), so I think that means there were at least some listings for that state.
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Sad that the Store Locator no longer works. I used to use it all the time so I could see the stores on Street View without having to find them manually.
Im attempting to make my own store locater.
Quote from: 108CAM on January 23, 2023, 11:56:46 PMThe locator on the main page seems not to work right any longer, but it does show a map that includes NC (but not SC or other states to the west of that), so I think that means there were at least some listings for that state.
http://web.archive.org/web/20160903014459/http://www.amesfanclub.com/store.loc.htm
The Archived version of the store locator works
That's a great find! If the web archive version of the store finder works it should be a pretty simple matter for the webmaster to re-install it here.
Quote from: Retail_247 on January 25, 2023, 09:06:29 PMhttp://web.archive.org/web/20160903014459/http://www.amesfanclub.com/store.loc.htm
The Archived version of the store locator works
That link just took me to the Wayback Machine's homepage
Quote from: 108CAM on January 29, 2023, 10:58:51 PMQuote from: Retail_247 on January 25, 2023, 09:06:29 PMhttp://web.archive.org/web/20160903014459/http://www.amesfanclub.com/store.loc.htm
The Archived version of the store locator works
That link just took me to the Wayback Machine's homepage
Clicking on the link only takes you to the first part of the link, before the "www.amesfanclub" for some reason
Copy & paste the entire link and it should work
I found a photo of the Kings in statesville. I cant find a way to link the image in though.
Finally found a way!(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fife/AMPSemeIkdxB3ZsJGfPFI4bTXXXovIO9Ahpo7iAM-Q4HysVYZQEtguXjoeRcTtR3SKdz2c1E_pTxtzyE3v4U2eI5p2qnpRqa3yQg2u_a01qQdMEwj1OHxwInJvaCB4h_jcnS0AvfJqfTC_o6dTkp8c7ZzH9GkQh69qOFw1OnE260AygAbwK02Z5EuNm0g5WAeVGyKRsvw9owGYuWTi3Nia2dlPgipMyuQaxol5dieK2ZvjRxbXj3G6W-qbdFCx5-R668vXsB2PpQhGd5gBN6sIjFbbnotd41gEshAECMe0K6pE9MzBDjUDL3bb0pbcRzBSegovMnYeoJpi5l7o9ZouLWWUTxoRPn6gyT8P5kJydkiaCN6iRC8Ywf5HlkXv5jTVaB9P7RazjjtrTTrh4TFVo5YhQ919kXe4Xlbl8V8vgLCXK93LG3yTp4FzHuWthVAQd-t4nGRLX8D6hwZYWEDIpYD2H61jf30ku6Cs-brDG3f3mcXiYE7P6ZVCBS5z_tc3VTy6Ed-dDFzSk7b97O75DMpirm66BD4GsrkJzAZ5kfjPRQ1Wkw2oEW1Pu5jEaW6SxdtF4GCo4j0uoMcvNn3nKaHIDtXuOE4nq1gRqq9OlqjbVg_4UnudkawTsh6L-XaHqMKxi1ewxlro3wtiumhs9Y7ZkvKSBuGei_AV-rYlNhpt7fRMC4nfn1cQIK7puE8p7-rlrB8tjSwgU5EwAj0dmUUGnaW_v8V9FEwsd0x-InEUQZBX4RM_8zg4rQr7MV6Pru8bZt61a3Fswuj6r9pCODYEK4rFT8eNgs2MwUJmFFyZpPMZJKno72LQQHzZLl5aGFcdGPWvuRrKBYeTzrJfaXHEQBQROIc9lupIfOgvFm1SpaSnsWCfsPiA_IiYhwlhVF_Ofo1CT6J_4NFlEg28-QHShNdJyv8LlpluqsB-dpc2QHDqGkzHE9BfLl4Gaiu76ECvtXdPFDxFLs4hRso0CG14H5pvRTxlJp7pBB2bCQLsAg5KK7YPGlK4SkF97wdwr8URJAe90rA1TtVfjh4dJqKwAlGlHWT-P3amPRdiv2T4OoHeulojTwmY20UAAeY2xCOBtBCyO2ut0fyttJhNf5eEpu6bty502QV4X8NSRB8xoDMDtylNcrxWGnpGItg7w70KWDxWpcMp1ojD5cDrVvpZx3Mwds1OBtIMO2EJ2FvkJPWX5Wdo3FkNIrL7YTv0MAAP4PLlqmVZuQa2t0OeXKD3pI9TEaVPWSXcxiSbt5_hyrKzcwNKTA5cJgOORKuHOcM2iKhz1PR5l-KY5Khnn30KF7mbRaR10Cs4SN1smUEKPwwKBXO6kXp2YZE06tfXYrJquWILc8oo9JT105rrSQfT_SWZcUGb8BCWWXfEwJIx8oSapUAT2T21NzL9JA0O5iSfAI7ccQDRO0dxamG9XDkdNAthzFBE3wnJHSBWHK-n6cKvx_Bq9UiOeqaZDkmjSIrpy_Yd9J4HcNM-C4BLY=w1440-h730)
Is this a former Ames? I might be mistaken but the front looks oddly familiar.....
950 S Cannon Blvd a, Kannapolis, NC 28083
Quote from: ian on February 09, 2023, 09:19:40 AMIs this a former Ames? I might be mistaken but the front looks oddly familiar.....
950 S Cannon Blvd a, Kannapolis, NC 28083
No, that's an old Winn-Dixie supermarket building
Though it was built on the site on a former Zayre so I hear...
Ok, Thank you
Found a photo!(https://photos.cabarruscounty.us/WebLink/PageImageData.aspx?scale=10000&dID=167644&pageNum=1&ann=1&r=ISA2WQqO&search=&ro=0&forceGen=1)
(https://photos.cabarruscounty.us/WebLink/PageImageData.aspx?scale=10000&dID=167644&pageNum=1&ann=1&r=ISA2WQqO&search=&ro=0&forceGen=1)
It wont link so here
https://photos.cabarruscounty.us/WebLink/PageImageData.aspx?scale=10000&dID=167644&pageNum=1&ann=1&r=ISA2WQqO&search=&ro=0&forceGen=1
I found an aerial of the Zayre, will send after my school is done
Quote from: Retail_247 on December 27, 2022, 11:39:09 PMQuote from: ian on December 27, 2022, 01:06:39 PMDoes anybody know if any ames/hills/kings existed in NC?
I made a list of discount stores and where they were a while back (that I'm still working on) and my data for North Carolina currently shows that:
Ames - 7 locations
Hills - 2 locations
King's - 21 locations
None of the King's locations were converted into Ames and only 1 out of 2 Hills stores became Ames (that data could be incorrect, however)
Quote from: Retail_247 on December 29, 2022, 12:31:59 PMQuote from: ian on December 28, 2022, 08:07:16 PMDo you know the addresses, or if there were any in the charlotte metro
Here's the locations of the stores from my data:
King's - 835 E. Dixie Dr. Asheboro NC 27203
King's - 1001 N Miami Blvd Durham NC 27703
King's - Hillsborough Rd. Durham NC 27705 (Full store location unknown)
King's - 401 N. Berkeley Blvd. Goldsboro NC 27530
King's - 4653 W. Market St Greensboro NC 27410
King's - Hwy. 264 Greenville NC 27834 (Full store location unknown)
King's - New Dana Rd. & State Hwy. 64 Hendersonville NC 28739
King's - Gum Branch Rd. & Henderson Dr. Jacksonville NC 28540
King's - 3210 Fayetteville Rd. Raleigh NC 27609
King's - N. Blvd., Rte. 1 & 401 Raleigh NC 27604
King's - 2726 Industrial Dr. Sanford NC 27330
King's - 300 W. Dixon Blvd. Shelby NC 28150
King's - 2638 Carolina Beach Rd. Wilmington NC 28401
King's - Kings Plaza Shopping Center Wilson NC 27893
King's - 3740 N. Paterson Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27105
King's - 801 Corporation Pkwy Winston-Salem NC 27107
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 1245 Dabney Dr Henderson NC 27536
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 830 Halstead Blvd Elizabeth City NC 27909
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - 1515 E. Broad St Statesville NC 28677
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - N. Center St & 25th Ave. NW Hickory NC 28601
King's (former Mammoth Mart) - US Hwy. 70 New Bern NC 28560
Ames - 1421 East Cone Blvd. Greensboro NC 27405
Ames - 3701 Highpoint Rd. Greensboro NC 27407
Ames (Former Zayre) - 2200 Westchester Dr. High Point NC 27262
Ames (Former Zayre) - 4215 North Patterson Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27105
Ames (Former Zayre) - 2281 Cloverdale Ave. Winston-Salem NC 27103
Ames (Former Zayre) - 846 Spring Lane Sanford NC 27330
Ames (Originally Woolco, than Roses, than Hills) - 4302 Shipyard Blvd. Wilmington NC 28403
Hills - (Opened 1995 in former Kmart) - 2300 N Main St High Point NC 27262
Hills (Former Woolco, than Roses, was later converted into Ames) - 4302 Shipyard Blvd. Wilmington NC 28403
Keep mind mind that some of information / store locations might be missing
It would also appear that Zayre also had other locations in the state that for whatever reason didn't become Ames
"I made a list of discount stores and where they were a while back"
Speaking of which, I just uploaded said list and made it publicly visible:
Link to the Google Sheet and more info about it here:
https://retail247projecthub.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-retail-247-discount-store-list.html